²Ô¾®¿Õ·¬ºÅѸÀ×Á´½Ó

    1. <form id=VHjPPVrdo><nobr id=VHjPPVrdo></nobr></form>
      <address id=VHjPPVrdo><nobr id=VHjPPVrdo><nobr id=VHjPPVrdo></nobr></nobr></address>

      *** Voting for the MeFiCoFo Board has begun! ***
      Oct. Site Rebuild Update | 10/5 Board Update | Sept. Site Update


      You can never please/any-boh-oh-dy/in, this, world!
      January 20, 2008 9:22 PM   Subscribe

      In 1968, three sisters from Fremont, New Hampshire -- Dot, Helen, and Betty Wiggin -- started a band, under the encouragement, support, and management of their father, Austin. Dot recalls that the girls would rise late, practice for two hours, then work on their home-schooling. Then they did their calisthenics, rigidly prescribed by their father, and rehearsed two more hours in the evenings when Austin was home. Over the next 8 years, Austin would rent out the Fremont Town Hall many Saturday nights for a dance; the sisters, known collectively as "The Shaggs," would play their music, while their mother, Annie, would collect tickets and sell sodas (with help from more of the Wiggin siblings). In 1975, Austin Wiggins died; the sisters, without their father to spur them on, laid down their instruments and got on with the rest of their lives.

      And that would have been the last that anyone had heard the Wiggin Sisters' music. Except that, a year after the girls had started taking lessons, proud father that he was, Austin (a factory worker in nearby Exeter) paid for time in a recording studio for his daughters, and then paid more money to press the resulting album of songs. "Going into the recording studio was all my father's idea," Dot says. "We didn't feel like we were ready yet; we didn't feel that we knew that much about music. We were just getting started. He gave us a lot of support. He backed us up all the way."

      Still, that recording was almost just another Wiggin family story, as the guy whom Austin paid to press the album took off with his money and most of the records. The master tapes, stored in a chest in the attic, also eventually went missing. The few albums that remained somehow found their ways into the right hands, and in 1980 Rounder Records re-released The Shaggs' now-classic LP "Philosophy of the World".

      In the 9/27/1999 issue of the New Yorker, Susan Orleans wrote an article, "Meet the Shaggs." The article, and the Wiggins' story, caught the eye of Artisan Entertainment. A biopic seemed to be on the horizon, but that eventually morphed into an award-winning musical. "It was a good article, but if she¡¯d only kept to the truth," Dot muses in the seacoastnh.com article. "A lot of it was right and quite a lot of it was wrong."

      Nobody can deny their own first reaction to The Shaggs' music: either you've found bliss, or a headache. It's a mixture of naive innocence, simplicity, chaos, confusion, and beauty. Lester Bangs, deeming the album "one of the landmarks of rock'n'roll history," describes the Shaggs' sound, "sorta like 14 pocket combs being run through a moose's dorsal, but very gently." Frank Zappa thought that the Shaggs were "better than the Beatles."

      If "outsider music" had a Mt. Rushmore, the Wiggin sisters would be standing there, 7 stories high, pawn-shop guitars in hand, smiling, ready to light up your world. You can listen to four of their songs on their MySpace page. There are also plenty of examples of their music (but sadly, no footage of them) on YouTube:

      - My Pal Foot Foot [previously on MeFi, a different version]
      - I Love
      - You're Something Special To Me two three four
      - Philosophy of the World
      - It's Halloween (Possibly one of the best Halloween songs ever.)
      - Gimme dat ding
      - I'm So Happy When You're Near (video features pandas!)
      posted by not_on_display (75 comments total) 51 users marked this as a favorite
       
      I have actually heard My Pal Foot Foot before.

      ..................... I'm going to leave it at that.
      posted by blacklite at 9:31 PM on January 20, 2008


      This American Life did it
      posted by infinitewindow at 9:37 PM on January 20, 2008


      I've heard My Pal Foot Foot too, the Deerhoof cover though. It turned me off of Deerhoof. I feel like I'm missing something.
      posted by arcticwoman at 9:37 PM on January 20, 2008


      Yet the question remains, who are parents?
      posted by jtron at 9:38 PM on January 20, 2008


      Huh, I've heard Who Are Parents, too, but by The Danielson Famile. Weird, I've heard a few of the Shaggs songs, but never heard of them.
      posted by arcticwoman at 9:42 PM on January 20, 2008


      Who are parents? Parents are the ones who really care.
      Who are parents? Parents are the ones who are always there.
      (And ^sorry, I don't listen to NPR much, except for it's my radio alarm clock.)
      posted by not_on_display at 9:42 PM on January 20, 2008


      Wow, thanks for introducing me to this.
      posted by pombe at 10:05 PM on January 20, 2008


      The "outsider" label seems to get thrown around when people don't want to say "shitty". Just becasue you enjoy laughing at a shitty band doesn't mean they're outsider artists. They're still a shitty band that were just weird enough to get the underground cool seal of approval and are now an entry-level musical know-it-all's combination punchline/secert handshake.
      posted by Slack-a-gogo at 10:12 PM on January 20, 2008 [4 favorites]


      I'd never heard this before, thanks for the post.

      I'm not sure if music like this could be made on purpose.
      posted by LooseFilter at 10:17 PM on January 20, 2008


      Happy YFBS day to you too, Slack!
      posted by not_on_display at 10:17 PM on January 20, 2008 [1 favorite]


      The Shaggs story is ultimately really sad. The Shaggs music, on the other hand, is amazing. I'd much rather listen to them than Zappa, personally. If you're going to talk about The Shaggs, you need to mention NRBQ and their connection to the band.

      They're still a shitty band that were just weird enough to get the underground cool seal of approval and are now an entry-level musical know-it-all's combination punchline/secert handshake.

      Really listen to it. Not even Ornette Coleman/Captain Beefheart's Magic Band could do that if they tried. That's the beauty of it. Of course, if you don't see that, I take my handshake back and bid adieu.
      posted by sleepy pete at 10:18 PM on January 20, 2008


      "...Just becasue you ..." and "...secert handshake...."

      Ummm....those are the outsider spellings of "because" and "secret".
      posted by Slack-a-gogo at 10:20 PM on January 20, 2008 [1 favorite]


      I'm not sure if music like this could be made on purpose.

      Yep. Beginner's mind or something. I enjoyed it.
      posted by Wolof at 10:23 PM on January 20, 2008


      I'm not sure if music like this could be made on purpose.

      That right there's pretty close to precisely the appeal of the Shaggs. It sounds like music made by people who invented their instruments earlier that day, and have sort of half-discovered just enough of the basics of melody and harmony to bang out a few tunes, and this extraordinary capture-of-fire discovery is so singular they simply must slap these swatches into the first finished song in the history of the world. Because otherwise the world would have no songs. Which lends it a sort of immediacy and spontaneous joy that you just can't plan to do.
      posted by gompa at 10:24 PM on January 20, 2008 [9 favorites]


      People always assume that if you like outsider museic, it must be because you laugh at it. And, yes, when you first hear the Shaggs, or the Legendary Stardust Cowboy, or Shooby Taylor, you laugh. Nothing wrong with that. You continue to laugh as you continue to listen to them.

      But you grow to love them. When music is deliberately idiosyncratic, it is often twee or precious. When it is accidentally idiosyncratic, it's beautiful.
      posted by Astro Zombie at 10:33 PM on January 20, 2008 [6 favorites]


      this extraordinary capture-of-fire discovery

      Well said. I think it's delightful music; surreal, but weirdly lovely and earnest. It's very appropriate that they're New Englanders.
      posted by LooseFilter at 10:35 PM on January 20, 2008 [1 favorite]


      That guitar playing reminds me a lot of Jack White.
      posted by wsg at 10:35 PM on January 20, 2008 [2 favorites]


      Being in a band makes me hate the Shaggs songs in a special way. Having various band members over the years who don't understand the way music/rhythm/key signatures work has conditioned me to try and listen with an ear for "what do they actually mean by this? how can this thing that sounds bad NOT sound bad so when my Jazz nerd friends listen I'm not embarrassed when it's eventually played live/posted on metafilter."

      When I listen to the Shaggs and my brain tries to do that to the Shaggs stuff, it makes me cry.
      posted by Brainy at 10:35 PM on January 20, 2008 [2 favorites]


      The Shaggs are my favorite outsider band. Other greats are B. J. Snowden and Daniel Johnston

      Here's a good starting point for outsider music- Songs in the Key of Z

      a huge collection of outsider and found music is here-
      365 days project

      This radio archive is great too-
      WFMU's Incorrect Music
      posted by bhnyc at 10:37 PM on January 20, 2008 [3 favorites]


      (When it is accidentally idiosyncratic, it's beautiful.

      Well, not always. Sometimes it's just terrible.)
      posted by LooseFilter at 10:37 PM on January 20, 2008


      not_on_display: Happy YFBS day to you too, Slack!

      Good lord, please don't tell me it's already YFBS day! I totally forgot. My Grandma is going to be disappointed when she goes to the mailbox today and there's not a card from me telling her how much Eddie Cantor blows.
      posted by Slack-a-gogo at 10:37 PM on January 20, 2008 [1 favorite]


      WSG, I totally hear the Jack White thing. I was just thinking the other day how he has this strange guitar style, like nothing even comes close to resolving until the very last beat it could. Or worse, it never does. Whatever it is, gets under my skin and makes me cringe.
      posted by Brainy at 10:38 PM on January 20, 2008


      This is an excellent post.
      posted by Divine_Wino at 10:47 PM on January 20, 2008


      Maybe I'm just sleepy, but there's something so awesome and magical and disturbing about this that I don't really know what to say about it. It looks and sounds like something Lucky McKee (May) would do. Mind you, that's commentary on the music and the video taken as a whole.
      posted by kittens for breakfast at 10:48 PM on January 20, 2008 [2 favorites]


      What Astro Zombie said.

      They're still a shitty band that were just weird enough to get the underground cool seal of approval and are now an entry-level musical know-it-all's combination punchline/secert handshake.

      Oh, please. I never gave a shit about any "underground cool seal of approval" for liking the Shaggs. I just completely fell in love with the way the strange noises they made carved out this beautifully strange and challenging little spot on the edges of the category called "music." Atonal, earnest, fascinating and fun is what it sounded like to me, and I found myself drawn to it over and over again.

      If it's not your cuppa, fine; we all have different neuron wiring. But it's bullshit to assume everyone who really, truly likes The Shaggs' music is laughing at them, or only in it for cool points. It's appealing to a lot of folks on at least a slightly deeper level than that.

      All I know is from the first time I heard it I was in awe of the noise they made.
      posted by mediareport at 10:52 PM on January 20, 2008 [1 favorite]


      I'd add that the Shaggs always seemed to me to be what my ten year old self would do given the ability to form a band, they sound like messages from a future that never happened. Also, once again, superb post.
      posted by Divine_Wino at 10:56 PM on January 20, 2008 [2 favorites]


      ^Don't worry, I sent her one for ya! Here's a copy.

      Really. Eddie Cantor blows.
      posted by not_on_display at 11:00 PM on January 20, 2008


      As a kind of footnote to mediareport's comment, I'd add that not all laughter is mockery.

      That Legendary Stardust Cowboy stuff that AZ links to, for example? Damn straight I laugh every time I hear "Paralyzed," but it is the laugh of a guy who has wandered into a honkytonk in the roughest part of town in some frontier outpost on Mars and can't believe the shit going on there and, while delighted by it in some kind of brothel-at-the-end-of-the-universe sort of way - I mean, who let the meth-addicted aphasic take over the piano in this joint? and is it just me or is that mutant growth on his left shoulder singing backing vocals? - is also very very afraid that if he looks like he isn't having a good time, the Legendary Stardust Cowboy will kill him where he stands. Painfully and with a mad showbiz verve.
      posted by gompa at 11:03 PM on January 20, 2008


      The first time I heard the song "Philosophy of the World", I was shocked in about five different ways all at once. Something about it was funny sure, but at the same time it was also deeply sad.

      The Shags are a real treasure for music lovers.

      Also, I'd never read that Seacoast article, thanks.
      posted by stinkycheese at 11:08 PM on January 20, 2008


      If you dig on the outsider stuff BTW, I'd highly recommend Peter Grudzien's The Unicorn album (I like it even better than The Shaggs personally).
      posted by stinkycheese at 11:15 PM on January 20, 2008


      I knew the Shaggs for years for one song only: "It's Halloween." I'd heard it on Dr. Demento when I was a kid (WCOZ, 94.5 Boston), and it thrilled me. 7 years later, I saw a used cassette for 99 cents, bought it for that song, and was immediately whisked away. I played it for my friends, and they could only tolerate two, three songs at most. I didn't care. No special clubs, no record-fair trolling, no 'zine subscription needed. The Shaggs just make me smile from somewhere deep inside.

      And the web, and especially places like here and the aforementioned WFMU and the 365 Days Project have been such a blessing to my ears...

      And!! so many good music posts here, especially lately--and I couldn't believe nobody did a Shaggs monster post yet!

      Now, who's up for a Nihilist Spasm Band[mp3] post?
      posted by not_on_display at 11:17 PM on January 20, 2008


      Who named the band? Was that person familiar with British slang?
      posted by Cranberry at 11:59 PM on January 20, 2008


      Austin Wiggins named the band; Dot thinks it had something to do with the "shag" style of haircut. None of them had that style haircut.
      posted by not_on_display at 12:15 AM on January 21, 2008


      (I keep saying "Wiggins" -- it's "Wiggin" -- Geeeeezus.)
      posted by not_on_display at 12:16 AM on January 21, 2008


      I can't believe nobody has mentioned Jandek yet. I was lucky enough to see one of his rare performances this past year--he played piano while local musicians played along with violin, clarinet and oboe. He never looked at, spoke to or even acknowledged that there was an audience. Even in rural Iowa, every seat was filled. Jandek on Corwood is recommended viewing.
      posted by TrialByMedia at 12:19 AM on January 21, 2008


      Did they write "I love you?" - I've liked that song since I was a kid!

      There's really something hypnotic about them...I felt like I was listening to music through some type of time portal in which none of the wavelengths were coming through at the same time. It wasn't that they were completely out of time - it's that they were in time in waves - very trippy. And the vocals on top of it really puts it over the top.

      I don't know if they are "better" than the Beatles, but I definitely enjoyed these songs far more than many Beatles songs I know.

      Oh, and I LOVED the "My Pal Foot Foot" video!
      posted by The Light Fantastic at 12:29 AM on January 21, 2008


      In the comments on "I Love": the bass is really theoretical on this.

      I am not cool enough to know what that means, but I think that's okay.
      posted by thehmsbeagle at 12:33 AM on January 21, 2008


      I applaud that this exists and I feel some odd connection in an intellectual way, but I couldn't tolerate listening to it for very long. There are glimpses of enjoyable sound, momentary chords that marry up pleasantly but I'm not enjoying the clashes in between. Maybe it deserves another listen or two. It reminds me a little of Velvet Underground. Thanks for the post n_o_d.
      posted by peacay at 2:02 AM on January 21, 2008


      I think it's really wrong to think people like the Shaggs because they're bad musicians.

      On the contrary, they were very good. They practiced a lot--they just practiced shit nobody in their right mind would try to do (until Beefheart, arguably).

      I'm not really a fan, myself, but I can appreciate them for their uniqueness in a musical landscape that didn't really allow for such a thing.
      posted by Joseph Gurl at 2:06 AM on January 21, 2008


      When I first heard the Shaggs, I thought "Wow, this is like rock played by people who've only read about rock." As Joseph Gurl says, they were very good at what they did. A great anecdote: the sound engineer reported that while being recorded, occasionally they would all stop and one of them would apologize for making a mistake, and they'd ask to start again. He could never tell which one had made the mistake, or what it was...
      posted by ubersturm at 3:57 AM on January 21, 2008 [3 favorites]


      Metafilter will eat anything.
      posted by Horken Bazooka at 5:01 AM on January 21, 2008


      Are my ears bleeding? I feel like they should be. They are aren't? Bleeding, that is. No?
      posted by oddman at 5:10 AM on January 21, 2008


      God Bless the Shaggs.

      Tom Cruise apparently bought the movie-development rights to the Susan Orleans article. Pray for the Shaggs.
      posted by Kinbote at 5:19 AM on January 21, 2008


      I love leaves in the wind
      Pictures of my friends
      Birds in the world ...

      and TWINS
      posted by Horace Rumpole at 5:49 AM on January 21, 2008


      I always thought the Shaggs were charming in the same way that 10-year-old kids attempt at The Great American Novel would be, so in that sense they're irresistible.
      posted by jonmc at 5:51 AM on January 21, 2008


      "Ha! Gotcha. I was just kidding. Wanted to see how many of you suckas would buy this atonal crap"- Frank Zappa (posted posthumously)
      posted by Gungho at 5:53 AM on January 21, 2008


      My wife and I played "It's Halloween" more or less all night long a couple of Halloweens ago. Sadly, none of the kids who came to our door commented one way or the other on it.
      posted by The Card Cheat at 6:06 AM on January 21, 2008


      Wow. It's like a crazy combo of the Manson Family and Phoebe Buffay.
      posted by macadamiaranch at 6:24 AM on January 21, 2008 [1 favorite]


      It makes me smile in the way that listening to Shonen Knife makes me smile and there are a lot of similarities. Philosophy of the World is awesome.
      posted by jackiemcghee at 6:24 AM on January 21, 2008


      Slack-a-gogo: "The "outsider" label seems to get thrown around when people don't want to say "shitty". Just becasue you enjoy laughing at a shitty band doesn't mean they're outsider artists. They're still a shitty band that were just weird enough to get the underground cool seal of approval and are now an entry-level musical know-it-all's combination punchline/secert handshake."

      I'm sure there's plenty of folk who like The Shaggs for those reasons, but, as others have said, it's perfectly possible to just honestly like some of their music. And its only their long run of hip obscurity that makes you sniffy about their quality, I suspect. Since we're on the subject of singing sisters (well, mothers, aunts and daughters these days), I bet an 'acceptably' popular band like ESG would occupy the same space as The Shaggs do today if it weren't for the accident of hip hop producers sampling their metronomic beats/Factory putting their record out/&c. - if you listen to all their super-familiar songs with fresh ears, they're totally bloody eccentric, because they made their music in relative isolation at the behest of a pushy parent too.

      I can't believe nobody has mentioned Jandek yet.

      I'm not entirely convinced that Jandek counts as 'outsider' music in the 'bizarre amateur' sense. First, he very obviously managed his career and marketed himself with consumate skill over the years, and now, aside from his first couple of live performances in Glasgow in 2004 (I missed the first ever by 15 minutes because he insisted on being left off the bill and playing unnanounced before the Instal festival had actually started) which were in the style of his pre-live gigs recordings, he's shown himself to be very much au fait with avant garde/improvised music scene of the last couple of decades, and is now doing performances very much in that vein.

      Not that I don't go and see him every time he plays, because he's bloody great (his live performances aren't rare at all now that he's started playing live, by the way), but I really don't buy the 'total weirdo doing his own thing' bit - I think everything about the way he ran his career was a careful, if not exactly cynical, bid to turn himself into a cult artist.
      posted by jack_mo at 6:49 AM on January 21, 2008


      Kinbote: Actually, the Wiggins gave their "life rights" and the rights to their songs to Christine Vachon of Killer Films (who produced I'm Not There, among others). About ten years ago, Vachon and critic-turned-director Katherine Dieckmann had begun work on a biopic about the Shaggs that was set to star Kirsten Dunst. This fell through rather spectacularly, as Vachon's book A Killer Life details.

      AFAIK Vachon still holds the life rights and music rights to the Shaggs, which would ensure that Cruise's film version would be beset by some challenges, should it ever get made.

      [/derail]
      posted by pxe2000 at 6:58 AM on January 21, 2008


      Man, I really wish I could hear the wonderment that so many of you find in the Shaggs. I used to have a soft spot for ¡°It¡¯s Halloween¡± (which I also first heard on Dr Demento), but after a while it seemed like a joke that wasn¡¯t funny anymore. I get the interest in the naivety of their delivery and I can appreciate other ¡°difficult listens¡±, but I just don¡¯t find the beauty in the music of Shaggs. Astro Zombie¡¯s ¡°when it is accidentally idiosyncratic, it's beautiful¡± comment makes me feel like I¡¯m missing something wonderful. Maybe it¡¯s time for me to drag that album out again and see what happens. Mrs. Slack is gonna love that!

      And even when I don¡¯t agree with everyone else¡¯s opinions, which is obviously the case here, I love talking to and reading posts from people that are passionate about the music they love and want to share why they like it so damn much. I¡¯ve been introduced (or reintroduced) to many current favorites because of a ¡°you didn¡¯t like __________? Give it another chance, check out this cut first¡± conversation.
      posted by Slack-a-gogo at 7:05 AM on January 21, 2008 [1 favorite]


      This fell through rather spectacularly, as Vachon's book A Killer Life details.

      Thanks to Amazon's "Search inside the book," I was able to read the story (on pages 145-147); short version, for anyone who's curious: Vachon's production company was trying to sell the Shaggs project on the strength of Dunst's participation, and pretty much had a deal worked out when Dunst pulled out after the success of Spider-Man. (Her agent said "She doesn't want to play a teenager... Other commitments have come up.") So they had to reconceive it as a low-budget "little film," and got financing from Hole Digger, a group of young guys who decided they wanted to produce it as well and cut Vachon's company out. But they never paid for the rights and eventually went belly-up.

      The whole thing reminds me of my wife's experiences with the movie industry, an industry which I urge anyone with any concern for their integrity and peace of mind to stay well clear of.
      posted by languagehat at 7:32 AM on January 21, 2008


      Oh, and great post. The Orleans piece is well written and infinitely sad, and the music is... unique. What else can you say? The more I hear "Foot Foot" the more I love it. Thanks, not_on_display!
      posted by languagehat at 8:04 AM on January 21, 2008


      The thing that first turned me on to The Shaggs was that they really are as peculiar as people had told me they were. Love 'em or hate 'em, they deliver.

      I love 'em.
      posted by dirtdirt at 8:22 AM on January 21, 2008


      I wanted to add to jack_mo's thoughts on Jandek and say that not only is it contrived (even if it is in a "good" way), his music just creeps me the fuck out.

      Thanks again for the post, not_on_display.
      posted by sleepy pete at 8:26 AM on January 21, 2008


      I wanted to add to jack_mo's thoughts on Jandek and say that not only is it contrived (even if it is in a "good" way), his music just creeps me the fuck out.

      I'm with sleepy pete on this. Jandek's very interesting as a curiosity, but I wouldn't sit around listening to him. He lacks the earnestness and genuine charm that makes the Shaggs (and Wild Man Fischer, for instance) more than just oddities.
      posted by jonmc at 8:31 AM on January 21, 2008


      First, I thought "So THIS is why people like The Moldy Peaches!" because this was pretty endearing stuff. Then I thought "Waitwaitwait, this is why people SHOULD NOT like The Moldy Peaches!" because The Moldy Peaches are kind of trying very hard to do this without any of the actual innocence that gave birth to this music. Sort of an affect, you know?

      Anyway, that movie Juno was good, but The Moldy Peaches are not. That's what I have to say about those two things and The Shaggs.
      posted by shmegegge at 9:23 AM on January 21, 2008


      I'm not sure if music like this could be made on purpose.

      Yep. Beginner's mind or something. I enjoyed it.


      The Shaggs have absolutely fascinated me since I first heard them in college. I was originally drawn to them because they were hyped as the music world's equivalent of Plan Nine from Outer Space, an example of amateur ineptitude producing the worst ever in their own chosen field. But as I listened to it more and more, I practically fell in love with the wide-eyed childlike naivete of the music. In fact, I was going out my first college girlfriend, my first girlfriend ever, the first girl I had ever loved, and she too had a similar sense of naivete that I fell in love with. The Shaggs lyrics were not about standard rock 'n' roll topics, but about parents and Halloween and lost dogs and all things that would fill a sheltered little girl on the verge of adolescence with wonderment.

      In the final days of my grad school career, I had the idea about writing a scholarly article on outsider music with the Shaggs as a centerpiece. I never finished the article, but some of the research I did could probably be used as the basis for a book about the music of the Shaggs. If you look at the story of how the Shaggs were "discovered" in the 1970s by record collectors and other musicians (and I haven't filled in all the gaps), it's a weird story with many digressions that includes not only NRBQ and Zappa, but R. Stevie Moore and the Patti Smith Group. (I heard rumors that members of the Patti Smith Group were such big Shaggs fans that they called each other "Foot Foot.") One thing is that the Shaggs themselves would have to be approached very gingerly about any participation in such a project. The Susan Orlean article on the Shaggs that was published by the New Yorker (Ms. Orlean is best known as the author of the Orchid Thief) has reportedly opened up a lot of hurt feelings with the Wiggin family, because a very brief two-sentence reference to the possibility that Austin Wiggin had molested his daughters, although the sisters themselves don't seem to agree as to what happened. (Orlean writes, "The rumor around town was that Austin forced his daughters to be in the band. There was even talk that he was inappropriately intimate with them. When asked about it years later, Betty said that the talk wasn't true, but Helen said that Austin once was intimate with her. ") I think that's why most public appearances and interactions with the media are done by Dot Wiggin, because the sisters have definitely had some pain and tragedy in their lives. In fact, I once got in touch with a guy who did film the sisters for a documentary project, but he eventually shelved the project, because he felt the sisters had had a hard enough life, and he didn't want to contribute to having them suffer any more.

      If I ever get a chance to publish anything about the Shaggs, I would try focus on the music and minimize researching their personal histories, because a lot of outside music isn't sufficiently appreciated as music. If I had to describe the secret to the Shaggs sound, I would say that it's the result of amateur musicians who were forced to practice relentlessly on an individual basis, but their "stage father" never really understood the basic idea that a band is supposed to work together as a collectivity in sync with each other. There's a sentence in the Susan Orlean article that suggests she almost gets this ("Dot wrote the songs and the basic melodies, and she and Betty worked together on the chords and rhythms. Helen made up her drum parts on her own."), but doesn't fully draw out its implications. However, I did manage track down some unpublished conference papers by musicology professors and grad students on the Shaggs, which have an interesting theory. Basically, the drummer Helen kept in time with some very basic time signatures, because she had been required to play rhythm exercises over and over again in forced practice sessions, but she never got in time with her sisters. Helen would be playing a proper time signature, but it would be out-of-sync with her sisters, although in some of the songs, it would go back in sync, only to go back out of sync again. The way the rhythm bounces off out-of-sync with the simple melody line on guitar gives the Shaggs a "free jazz by accident" quality that led Lester Bangs to compare the group to Ornette Coleman. In addition, the jazz vocalist Carla Bley is a big fan of the group, raving that "they blew my mind completely."

      Another thing that strikes me as unique about the music of the Shaggs is related to the white-bread nature of their musical influences. Even though the Shaggs might sound like free jazz, as far as I can tell, the musical diet of the Shaggs was pretty much limited to stuff like Herman's Hermits, Tommy Sands, and Dino, Desi, & Billy. My theory is that the Shaggs sound like what rock & roll sounds like when you are in a sheltered, isolated homogeneously white rural enclave in the middle of a nowhere, and you have no clue whatsoever that rock & roll has any connection to rhythm & blues, country music, gospel music, sexuality, anger, or teenage rebellion. I think is what has drawn white indie rock groups to the Shaggs, such as Half Japanese and Beat Happening, while at the same time, the group also finds devotees among jazz fans who link weird, out-of-sync rhythms.

      Anyhow, that's my story. Anybody interested in signing me up to a book contract to write about the Shaggs?
      posted by jonp72 at 9:50 AM on January 21, 2008 [11 favorites]


      sleepy pete: "I wanted to add to jack_mo's thoughts on Jandek and say that not only is it contrived (even if it is in a "good" way), his music just creeps me the fuck out."

      That's why I listen to him, really (the pre-playing live stuff, anyway - the recent live recordings are a different kettle of fish entirely).

      jonmc: "He lacks the earnestness and genuine charm that makes the Shaggs (and Wild Man Fischer, for instance) more than just oddities."

      Yep. But there are defo some songs, especially from the mid-80s, that do have that quality - check out 'You Painted Your Teeth' from the Telegraph Melts album.

      Also, when he's not doing his The Cell suite stuff live, he's absolutely genuine, for want of a better word. A couple of years ago, I got mixed up and went to the wrong venue to meet friends, and at the very moment I walked through the door, Jandek started up, unannounced once again, playing a simple bluesey set and I was completely mesmerised - stood on my own, literally didn't move for the next hour, not even to get a beer!

      So, yeah, I find the whole 'outsider' shtick a bit hinky, but the music can be absolutely mind-blowing at times.
      posted by jack_mo at 10:12 AM on January 21, 2008


      I can dig it, jack_mo. I've tried, really. I've had experiences like that, just never with Jandek. I don't think less of him, though.
      posted by sleepy pete at 10:19 AM on January 21, 2008


      jonp72 - for sure. Steve Reich made a career out of the interesting possibilities that come out of phasing in sound and music. If I remember correctly, the live "Gimme Dat Ding" has the drums in synch and basically just sounds like a sloppy but reasonably straightforward tune. I think there's one other studio song the Shaggs managed like that, can't remember which one. Usually, yeah, the drumming isn't particularly good, but it does "make sense" on its own. But it has nothing to do with what the guitar and bass are doing, making things sound so disjointed and jambled up.
      Anyway, I'm obviously no music critic, but I do enjoy the Shaggs.
      posted by zoinks at 10:56 AM on January 21, 2008


      Yep. But there are defo some songs, especially from the mid-80s, that do have that quality - check out 'You Painted Your Teeth' from the Telegraph Melts album.

      I've heard it. Not my cup of tea. Sounds like a guy trying to show how weird he can be. The Shaggs and Wild Man Fischer didn't even see themselves as weird.
      posted by jonmc at 10:59 AM on January 21, 2008


      jonp72 - if you ever write that book, i will buy it. even if it's self-published, through lulu.com, or just a pdf. so please, please, please, write it. hell, i'm sure feral house or someone would put it out.
      posted by jtron at 11:16 AM on January 21, 2008


      "You Painted Your Teeth" is my favorite Jandek tune! I'd love to cover it as a punk song!

      True story (jonmc will no doubt appreciate this): Some years back, I was meeting friends at Otto's Shrunken Head (a tiki bar in New York's Alphabet City that has bands in the back room), and I was killing time and put a bunch of songs on the jukebox, one of which was "My Pal Foot Foot." About 15 seconds in, the bartender yelled "I can't take this shit anymore!" and must've hit a button under the bar or something, cos' it immediately went to my next song...
      posted by AJaffe at 12:14 PM on January 21, 2008


      First, [Jandek] very obviously managed his career and marketed himself with consumate skill over the years

      Really? I mean, I know he made sure to send free records to places like Factsheet Five and such, but "marketing himself with consummate skill" seems a bit much.
      posted by mediareport at 12:19 PM on January 21, 2008


      My son's reaction to "It's Halloween":

      "Dad, turn this off. It scares me. It creeps me out. You have weird taste in music."
      posted by not_on_display at 12:37 PM on January 21, 2008 [1 favorite]


      mediareport: "First, [Jandek] very obviously managed his career and marketed himself with consumate skill over the years

      Really? I mean, I know he made sure to send free records to places like Factsheet Five and such, but "marketing himself with consummate skill" seems a bit much.
      "

      I just reckon that the whole thing seems a bit too spot on - if you were going to build up a mysterious underground star of the sort people obsess over, you'd do it exactly as Sterling Smith/Jandek/'a representative from Corwood Industries' did it. It's like he's perfected a template based on past underground obscurities. This, of course, doesn't mean that Jandek is a cynic, it means that I am for suspecting him of orchestrating some sort of art project/canny marketing scheme, and not just being a eccentric, very private person doing their thing (having briefly chatted with him, he struck me as quite jolly and down to earth, just to confuse things further!). And if it is all a bit of a blag, it needed the music to be great, which is the main thing in the end.
      posted by jack_mo at 1:01 PM on January 21, 2008


      My theory on why Jandek started performing live is that in his "real" life, Sterling Smith advised people on their investments and now he is of an age where he might be retired from that and doesn't have to keep up appearances with clients anymore.
      posted by AJaffe at 1:10 PM on January 21, 2008


      I have this growing suspicion that the vast majority of music I've enjoyed since around 1997 now qualifies as 'found' or 'outsider' music. Many bands that don't exist anymore. Some bands that are remembered by less people than would fill the DMV on a slow day. This is sometimes depressing, but this is music that is mine. The fact that it's not in demand by the masses or doesn't register on some curious and antiquated measure of success makes no difference to me. It's no less precious to me. The glass really is half full.
      posted by ZachsMind at 1:49 PM on January 21, 2008 [1 favorite]


      I am surprised that so many people haven't heard of the Shaggs!

      Jonp72, that sounds like the 33 1/3 for Philosophy of the World that I would want to read. I recommend you propose it, if they have another call for proposals anytime soon.
      posted by Casuistry at 1:54 PM on January 21, 2008


      jonp72:the jazz vocalist Carla Bley

      While she has sung on a few projects (most famously Escalator Over the Hill), Carla Bley is usually identified as a composer/band leader. Minor nitpick.
      posted by Lentrohamsanin at 2:07 PM on January 21, 2008


      .
      posted by kozad at 9:31 PM on January 21, 2008


      Great post. Never heard of 'em. After listening to some examples, it seems evident that heavy duty hallucinogenic drugs must have been used in the creation (and enjoyment) of their music.
      posted by spock at 11:12 PM on January 21, 2008


      Great post, not_on_display. Looking over the comments here, I guess I'm a little surprised at the number of folks who hadn't heard of the Shaggs til now. It's a great thing that you've introduced so many to the unparalleled alternate musical reality that those 3 girls represent. Kudos!
      posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:12 AM on January 22, 2008


      « Older Urban Agriculture...it's in our backyard   |   NatGeo Photo Tips Newer »


      This thread has been archived and is closed to new comments




      ¡°Why?¡± asked Larry, in his practical way. "Sergeant," admonished the Lieutenant, "you mustn't use such language to your men." "Yes," accorded Shorty; "we'll git some rations from camp by this evenin'. Cap will look out for that. Meanwhile, I'll take out two or three o' the boys on a scout into the country, to see if we can't pick up something to eat." Marvor, however, didn't seem satisfied. "The masters always speak truth," he said. "Is this what you tell me?" MRS. B.: Why are they let, then? My song is short. I am near the dead. So Albert's letter remained unanswered¡ªCaro felt that Reuben was unjust. She had grown very critical of him lately, and a smarting dislike coloured her [Pg 337]judgments. After all, it was he who had driven everybody to whatever it was that had disgraced him. He was to blame for Robert's theft, for Albert's treachery, for Richard's base dependence on the Bardons, for George's death, for Benjamin's disappearance, for Tilly's marriage, for Rose's elopement¡ªit was a heavy load, but Caro put the whole of it on Reuben's shoulders, and added, moreover, the tragedy of her own warped life. He was a tyrant, who sucked his children's blood, and cursed them when they succeeded in breaking free. "Tell my lord," said Calverley, "I will attend him instantly." HoME²Ô¾®¿Õ·¬ºÅѸÀ×Á´½Ó ENTER NUMBET 0017
      www.lemu5.net.cn
      www.diya3.com.cn
      fj-sf.com.cn
      tudou.net.cn
      www.mazu0.net.cn
      xuer7.net.cn
      www.shuohuaba.com.cn
      www.wende4.net.cn
      51moyang.com.cn
      alkylsil.com.cn
      成人图片四月色月阁 美女小美操逼 综合图区亚洲 苍井空的蓝色天空 草比wang WWW.BBB471.COM WWW.76UUU.COM WWW.2BQVOD.COM WWW.BASHAN.COM WWW.7WENTA.COM WWW.EHU8.COM WWW.XFW333.COM WWW.XF234.COM WWW.XIXILU9.COM WWW.0755MSX.NET WWW.DGFACAI.COM WWW.44DDYY.COM WWW.1122DX.COM WWW.YKB168.COM WWW.FDJWG.COM WWW.83CCCC.COM WWW.7MTP.COM WWW.NXL7.COM WWW.UZPLN.COM WWW.SEA0362.NET WWW.LUYHA.COM WWW.IXIAWAN.COM WWW.HNJXSJ.COM WWW.53PY.COM WWW.HAOYMAO.COM WWW.97PPP.COM 医网性交动态图 龙腾视频网 骚姐av男人天堂444ckcom wwwvv854 popovodcom sss色手机观看 淫荡之妇 - 百度 亚洲人兽交欧美A片 色妹妹wwwsemm22com 人妻激情p 狼国48Q 亚洲成人理论网 欧美男女av影片 家庭乱伦无需任何播放器在线播放 妩媚的尼姑 老妇成人图片大全 舔姐姐的穴 纯洁小处男 pu285ftp 大哥撸鲁鲁修 咪米色网站 丝袜美腿18P 晚上碰上的足交视频 avav9898 狠狠插影院免费观看所视频有电影 熟女良家p 50s人体 幼女av电影资源种子 小说家庭乱伦校园春色 丝袜美女做爱图片 影音先锋强奸影片 裸贷视频在线观 校园春色卡通动漫的 搜索wwwhuangtvcom 色妹影视 戊人网站 大阴茎男人性恋色网 偷拍自怕台湾妹 AV视频插进去 大胆老奶奶妈妈 GoGo全球高清美女人体 曼娜回忆录全文 上海东亚 舔柯蓝的脚 3344d最近十天更新 av在线日韩有码 强奸乱伦性爱淫秽 淫女谁 2233p 123aaaa查询 福利AV网站 世界黄色网址 弟姐撸人人操 婷婷淫色色淫 淫姐姐手机影院 一个释放的蝌蚪窝超碰 成人速播视频 爱爱王国 黄色一级片影视 夫妻主奴五月天 先锋撸撸吧 Xxoo88 与奶奶的激情 我和老女人美妙经历 淫妻色五月 zaiqqc 和姐姐互舔15p 色黄mp4 先锋2018资源 seoquentetved2k 嫩妹妹色妹妹干妹妹 欧美性爱3751www69nnnncom 淫男乱女小说 东方在线Av成人撸一撸 亚洲成人av伦理 四虎影视二级 3p性交 外国人妖口交性交黑人J吧插女人笔视观看 黑道总裁 人人x艹 美女大战大黑吊 神马电影伦理武则天 大鸡八插进的戏 爆操情人 热颜射国产 真实自拍足交 偷拍萝莉洗澡无码视频 哥哥狠狠射狠狠爱 欲体焚情搜狗 妹子啪啪网站 jizzroutn 平井绘里在线观看 肏男女 五月天逍遥社区 网站 私色房综合网成人网 男人和女人caobi 成人共享网站 港台三级片有逼吗 淫龙之王小说 惠美里大战黑人 我为美女姐姐口交 乱论色站 西田麻衣大胆的人体艺术 亚洲 包射网另类酷文在线 就爱白白胖胖大屁股在线播放 欧美淫妻色色色 奥蕾人艺术全套图片 台湾中学生门ed2k 2013国产幼门 WWW_66GGG_COM WWW_899VV_COM 中国老女人草比 qingse9 nvtongtongwaiyintou 哥哥妹妹性爱av电影 欧美和亚洲裸体做爱 肏胖骚屄 美国十此次先锋做爱影视 亚里沙siro 爆操人妻少妇 性交的骚妇 百度音影动漫美女窝骚 WWW_10XXOO_COM 哥两撸裸体图片 香洪武侠电影 胖美奈 我和女儿日屄 上海礼仪小姐 紫微斗数全书 优酷视频联盟 工作压力大怎么办 成人动漫edk 67ijcom WWW15NVNVCOM 东京热逼图 狠狠干自拍 第五色宗 少妇的b毛 t56人体艺术大胆人体模特 大黄狗与美女快播播放 美女露屄禁图 大胆内射少妇 十二种屄 苍井空绿色大战 WWWAFA789COM 淫老婆3p 橹二哥影院影视先锋 日本h动漫继母在线观看 淫乱村庄 强奸少妇采花魔 小泽玛莉亚乱伦电影 婷婷五月红成人网 我爱色洞洞 和老婆日屄图片 哪个网站能看到李宗瑞全集 操小姨的穴 白洁亚洲图片 亚洲色图淫荡内射美女 国外孕妇radio 哪本小说里有个金瓶经的拉完屎扣扣屁眼闻俩下 在线亚洲邪恶图 快播最新波哆野结依 wwwgigi22com 操紧身妹 丁香五月哥 欧美强奸幼童下载wwwgzyunhecom 撸波波rrr777 淫兽传 水淫穴 哥哥干巨乳波霸中文字幕 母子相奸AV视频录像 淫荡的制服丝袜妈妈 有强奸内容的小黄文 哪里艺术片 刘嘉玲人体艺术大胆写真 www婷婷五月天5252bocom 美女护士动态图片 教师制服诱惑a 黄色激情校园小说 怡红院叶子喋 棚户区嫖妓pronhub 肏逼微博 wwppcc777 vns56666com 色哥哥色妹妹内射 ww99anan 清纯秀气的学生妹喝醉 短头发撸碰 苍井空一级片tupian 够爽影院女生 鲁大娘久草 av淘之类的网站 谷露AV日本AV韩国AV 电台有声小说 丽苑春色 小泽玛利亚英语 bl动漫h网 色谷歌短片 免费成人电影 台湾女星综合网 美眉骚导航(荐) 岛国爱情动作片种子 兔牙喵喵在线观看影院 五月婷婷开心之深深爱一本道 动漫福利啪啪 500导航 自拍 综合 dvdes664影音先锋在线观看 水岛津实透明丝袜 rrav999 绝色福利导航视频 200bbb 同学聚会被轮奸在线视频 性感漂亮的保健品推销员上门推销套套和延迟剂时被客户要求当场实验效果操的 羞羞影院每日黄片 小黄视频免费观看在线播放 日本涩青视频 日本写真视频 日本女人大尺度裸体操逼视频 日韩电影网 日本正在播放女教师 在线观看国产自拍 四虎官方影库 男男a片 小武妈妈 人妻免费 视频日本 日本毛片免费视频观看51影院 波多野结衣av医院百度网盘 秋假影院美国影阮日本 1亚欧成人小视频 奇怪美发沙龙店2莉莉影院 av无码毛片 丝袜女王调教的网站有哪些 2499在线观视频免费观看 约炮少妇视频 上床A级片 美尻 无料 w字 主播小电影视频在线观看 自拍性porn 伦理片日本猜人电影 初犬 无码 特级毛片影谍 日日在线操小妹视频 日本无码乱论视频 kinpatu86 在线 欧美色图狠狠插 唐朝AV国产 校花女神肛门自慰视频 免费城人网站 日产午夜影院 97人人操在线视频 俺来也还有什么类似的 caopron网页 HND181 西瓜影音 阿v天堂网2014 秋霞eusses极速播放 柳州莫菁第6集 磁力链 下载丝袜中文字 IPZ-694 ftp 海牙视频成人 韩国出轨漫画无码 rbd561在线观看 色色色 magnet 冲田杏梨爆乳女教师在线 大桃桃(原蜜桃Q妹)最新高清大秀两套6V XXX日本人体艺术三人 城市雄鹰。你个淫娃 久久最新国产动漫在线 A级高清免费一本道 人妻色图 欧美激情艳舞视频 草莓在线看视频自拍 成电人影有亚洲 ribrngaoqingshipin 天天啪c○m 浣肠video在线观看 天堂av无码av欧美av免费看电影 ftxx00 大香蕉水 吉里吉里电影网 日本三级有码视频 房事小视频。 午午西西影院 国内自拍主播 冲田爱佳 经典拳交视频最新在线视频 怡红影晥免费普通用户 青娱乐综合在线观看 藏经阁成人 汤姆影视avtom wwWff153CoM 一本道小视频免费 神马影影院大黄蜂 欧美老人大屁股在线 四级xf 坏木啪 冲田杏梨和黑人bt下载 干莉莉 桃乃木香奈在线高清ck 桑拿888珠海 家庭乱伦视频。 小鸟酱自慰视频在线观看 校园春色 中文字幕 性迷宫0808 迅雷资源来几个 小明看看永久免费视频2 先锋hunta资源 国产偷拍天天干 wwwsezyz4qiangjianluanlun 婷婷五月社区综合 爸爸你的鸡巴太大轻点我好痛 农村妇女买淫视屏 西瓜网赤井美月爆乳女子在校生 97无码R级 日本图书馆暴力强奸在线免费 巨乳爱爱在线播放 ouzouxinjiao 黄色国产视频 成人 自拍 超碰 在线 腿绞论坛 92福利电影300集 人妻x人妻动漫在线 进入 91视频 会计科目汇总表人妻x人妻动漫在线 激情上位的高颜值小少妇 苹果手机能看的A片 一本道av淘宝在线 佐藤美纪 在线全集 深夜成人 国内自拍佛爷在线 国内真实换妻现场实拍自拍 金瓶梅漫画第九话无码 99操人人操 3737电影网手机在线载 91另类视频 微兔云 (指甲油) -(零食) ssni180迅雷中字 超清高碰视频免费观看 成人啪啪小视频网址 美女婶婶当家教在线观看 网红花臂纹身美女大花猫SM微拍视频 帅哥美女搞基在床上搞的视频下载东西 日本视频淫乱 av小视频av小电影 藤原辽子在线 川上优被强奸电影播放 长时间啊嗯哦视频 美女主播凌晨情趣套装开车,各种自·慰加舞技 佳色影院 acg乡村 国产系列欧美系列 本土成人线上免费影片 波罗野结衣四虎精品在线 爆乳幼稚园 国产自拍美女在线观看免插件 黑丝女优电影 色色的动漫视频 男女抽插激情视频 Lu69 无毛伦理 粉嫩少妇9P 欧美女人开苞视频 女同a级片 无码播放 偷拍自拍平板 天天干人人人人干 肏多毛的老女人 夜人人人视频 动漫女仆被揉胸视频 WWW2018AVCOM jizzjizzjizz马苏 巨乳潜入搜查官 藤浦惠在线观看 老鸹免费黄片 美女被操屄视频 美国两性 西瓜影音 毛片ok48 美国毛片基地A级e片 色狼窝图片网 泷泽乃南高清无码片 热热色源20在线观看 加勒比澳门网 经典伦理片abc 激情视频。app 三百元的性交动画 97爱蜜姚网 雷颖菲qq空间 激情床戏拍拍拍 luoli hmanh 男人叉女人视频直播软件 看美女搞基哪个app好 本网站受美坚利合众国 caobike在线视频发布站 女主播电击直肠两小时 狠狠干高清视频在线观看 女学生被强奸的视频软件 欧美喷水番号 欧美自拍视频 武侠古典伦理 m13113美女图片 日本波多野结衣三级无马 美女大桥AV隐退 在线中文字幕亚洲欧美飞机图 xxx,av720p iav国产自拍视频 国内偷拍视频在线 - 百度 国歌产成人网 韩国美女主播录制0821 韩国直播av性 fyeec日本 骚逼播放 偷拍你懂的网站 牡蛎写真视频 初川南个人资源 韩国夏娃 ftp 五十度飞2828 成人区 第五季 视频区 亚洲日韩 中文字幕 动漫 7m视频分类大全电影 动漫黄片10000部免费视频 我骚逼丝袜女网友给上了 日本女人的性生活和下水道囧图黄 肏婶骚屄 欧美美女性爰图 和美女明星做爱舒服吗 乱伦小说小姨 天天舅妈 日本极品淫妇美鲍人体艺术 黄色录像强奸片 逍遥仙境论坛最新地址 人插母动物 黄s页大全 亚洲无码电影网址 幼女乱伦电影 雯雅婷30p caopran在线视频 插b尽兴口交 张佰芝yinbu biantaicaobitupian 台湾18成人电影 勾引同学做爱 动态性交姿势图 日本性交图10p 操逼动态图大全 国产后入90后 quanjialuanlun 裸女条河图片种子 坚挺的鸡吧塞进少妇的骚穴 迅雷亚洲bt www56com 徐老板去农村玩幼女小说故事 大尺度床吻戏大全视频 wwwtp2008com 黑丝大奶av 口述与爸爸做爱 人兽完全插入 欧美大乳12p 77hp 教师 欧美免费黄色网 影音先锋干女人逼 田中瞳无码电影 男人与漂亮的小母 在线观看 朴妮唛骚逼 欧美性感骚屄浪女 a片马干人 藤原绘里香电影 草草逼网址 www46xxxcn 美女草屄图 色老太人体艺网 男人的大阴茎插屄 北京违章车辆查询 魅影小说 滨岛真绪zhongzi 口比一级片 国产a片电影在线播放 小说我给男友刮毛 做爱视屏 茜木铃 开心四色播播网影视先锋 影音先锋欧美性爱人与兽 激情撸色天天草 插小嫚逼电影 人与动物三客优 日本阴部漫画美女邪恶图裸体护士美女露阴部 露屄大图 日韩炮图图片 欧美色图天天爱打炮 咪咕网一路向西国语 一级激情片 我爱看片av怎么打不开 偷拍自拍影先锋芳芳影院 性感黑丝高跟操逼 女性阴部摄影图片 自拍偷拍作爱群交 我把大姨给操了 好色a片 大鸡吧黄片 操逼和屁眼哪个爽 先生肉感授业八木梓 国产电影色图 色吧色吧图片 祖母乱伦片 强悍的老公搞了老婆又搞女儿影音先锋 美女战黑人大鸟五月 我被大鸡吧狂草骚穴 黄狗猪性交妇 我爱少女的逼 伦理苍井空百度影音 三姨妈的肥 国产成人电影有哪些 偷拍自拍劲爆欧美 公司机WWW日本黄色 无遮挡AV片 sRAV美女 WLJEEE163com 大鸡巴操骚12p 我穿着黑丝和哥哥干 jiujiucaojiujiucao 澳门赌场性交黄色免费视频 sifangplanxyz 欧美人兽交asianwwwzooasiancomwwwzootube8com 地狱少女新图 美女和黄鳝xxx doingit电影图片 香港性爱电影盟 av电影瑜伽 撸尔山乱伦AV 天天天天操极品好身材 黑人美女xxoo电影 极品太太 制服诱惑秘书贴吧 阿庆淫传公众号 国产迟丽丽合集 bbw热舞 下流番号 奥门红久久AV jhw04com 香港嫩穴 qingjunlu3最新网 激情做爱动画直播 老师大骚逼 成人激情a片干充气娃娃的视频 咪图屋推女郎 AV黄色电影天堂 aiai666top 空姐丝袜大乱11p 公公大鸡巴太大了视频 亚洲午夜Av电影 兰桂坊女主播 百度酷色酷 龙珠h绿帽 女同磨豆腐偷拍 超碰男人游戏 人妻武侠第1页 中国妹妹一级黄片 电影女同性恋嘴舔 色秀直播间 肏屄女人的叫声录音 干她成人2oP 五月婷婷狼 那里可以看国内女星裸照 狼友最爱操逼图片 野蛮部落的性生活 人体艺术摄影37cc 欧美色片大色站社区 欧美性爱喷 亚洲无码av欧美天堂网男人天堂 黑人黄色网站 小明看看主 人体艺术taosejiu 1024核工厂xp露出激情 WWWDDFULICOM 粉嫩白虎自慰 色色帝国PK视频 美国搔女 视频搜索在线国产 小明算你狠色 七夜郎在线观看 亚洲色图欧美色图自拍偷拍视频一区视频二区 pyp影yuan 我操网 tk天堂网 亚洲欧美射图片65zzzzcom 猪jb 另类AV南瓜下载 外国的人妖网站 腐女幼幼 影音先锋紧博资源 快撸网87 妈妈5我乱论 亚洲色~ 普通话在线超碰视频下载 世界大逼免费视频 先锋女优图片 搜索黄色男的操女人 久久女优播免费的 女明星被P成女优 成人三级图 肉欲儿媳妇 午夜大片厂 光棍电影手机观看小姨子 偷拍自拍乘人小说 丝袜3av网 Qvodp 国产女学生做爱电影 第四色haoav 催眠赵奕欢小说 色猫电影 另类性爱群交 影像先锋 美女自慰云点播 小姨子日B乱伦 伊人成人在线视频区 干表姐的大白屁股 禁室义母 a片丝袜那有a片看a片东京热a片q钬 香港经典av在线电影 嫩紧疼 亚洲av度 91骚资源视频免费观看 夜夜日夜夜拍hhh600com 欧美沙滩人体艺术图片wwwymrtnet 我给公公按摩 吉沢明涉av电影 恋夜秀晨间电影 1122ct 淫妻交换长篇连载 同事夫妇淫乱大浑战小说 kk原创yumi www774n 小伙干美国大乳美女magnet 狗鸡巴插骚穴小说 七草千岁改名微博 满18周岁可看爱爱色 呱呱下载 人妻诱惑乱伦电影 痴汉图书馆5小说 meinvsextv www444kkggcom AV天堂手机迅雷下载 干大姨子和二姨子 丝袜夫人 qingse 肥佬影音 经典乱伦性爱故事 日日毛资源站首页 美国美女裸体快播 午夜性交狂 meiguomeishaonvrentiyishu 妹妹被哥哥干出水 东莞扫黄女子图片 带毛裸照 zipailaobishipin 人体艺术阴部裸体 秘密 强奸酒醉大奶熟女无码全集在线播放 操岳母的大屄 国产少妇的阴毛 影音先锋肥熟老夫妻 女人潮吹视频 骚老师小琪迎新舞会 大奶女友 杨幂不雅视频种子百度贴吧 53kk 俄罗斯骚穴 国模 露逼图 李宗瑞78女友名单 二级片区视频观看 爸爸妈妈的淫荡性爱 成人电影去也 华我想操逼 色站图片看不了 嫖娼色 肛交lp 强奸乱伦肏屄 肥穴h图 岳母 奶子 妈妈是av女星 淫荡性感大波荡妇图片 欧美激情bt专区论坛 晚清四大奇案 日啖荔枝三百颗作者 三国防沉迷 印度新娘大结局 米琪人体艺术 夜夜射婷婷色在线视频 www555focom 台北聚色网 搞穴影音先锋 美吻影院超体 女人小穴很很日 老荡妇高跟丝袜足交 越南大胆室内人体艺术 翔田千里美图 樱由罗种子 美女自摸视频下载 香港美女模特被摸内逼 朴麦妮高清 亚寂寞美女用手指抠逼草莓 波多野结衣无码步兵在线 66女阴人体图片 吉吉影音最新无码专区 丝袜家庭教师种子 黄色网站名jane 52av路com 爱爱谷色导航网 阳具冰棒 3334kco 最大胆的人体摄影网 哥哥去在线乱伦文学 婶婶在果园里把我了 wagasetu 我去操妹 点色小说激 色和哥哥 吴清雅艳照 白丝护士ed2k 乱伦小说综合资源网 soso插插 性交抽插图 90后艳照门图片 高跟鞋97色 美女美鲍人体大胆色图 熟女性交bt 百度美女裸体艺术作品 铃木杏里高潮照片图 洋人曹比图 成人黄色图片电影网 幼幼女性性交 性感护士15p 白色天使电影 下载 带性视频qq 操熟女老师 亚洲人妻岛国线播放 虐待荡妇老婆 中国妈妈d视频 操操操成人图片 大阴户快操我 三级黄图片欣赏 jiusetengmuziluanlun p2002午夜福 肉丝一本道黑丝3p性爱 美丽叔母强奸乱伦 偷拍强奸轮奸美女短裙 日本女人啪啪网址 岛国调教magnet 大奶美女手机图片 变态强奸视频撸 美女与色男15p 巴西三级片大全 苍井空点影 草kkk 激情裸男体 东方AV在线岛国的搬运工下载 青青草日韩有码强奸视频 霞理沙无码AV磁力 哥哥射综合视频网 五月美女色色先锋 468rccm www色红尘com av母子相奸 成人黄色艳遇 亚洲爱爱动漫 干曰本av妇女 大奶美女家教激情性交 操丝袜嫩b 有声神话小说 小泽玛利亚迅雷 波多野结衣thunder 黄网色中色 www访问www www小沈阳网com 开心五月\u0027 五月天 酒色网 秘密花园 淫妹影院 黄黄黄电影 救国p2p 骚女窝影片 处女淫水乱流 少女迷奸视频 性感日本少妇 男人的极品通道 色系军团 恋爱操作团 撸撸看电影 柳州莫菁在线视频u 澳门娱银河成人影视 人人莫人人操 西瓜视频AV 欧美av自拍 偷拍 三级 狼人宝鸟视频下载 妹子漏阴道不打码视频 国产自拍在线不用 女牛学生破处視频 9877h漫 七色沙耶香番号 最新国产自拍 福利视频在线播放 青青草永久在线视频2 日本性虐电影百度云 pppd 481 snis939在线播放 疯狂性爱小视频精彩合集推荐 各种爆操 各种场所 各式美女 各种姿势 各式浪叫 各种美乳 谭晓彤脱黑奶罩视频 青青草伊人 国内外成人免费影视 日本18岁黄片 sese820 无码中文字幕在线播放2 - 百度 成语在线av 奇怪美发沙龙店2莉莉影院 1人妻在线a免费视频 259luxu在线播放 大香蕉综合伊人网在线影院 国模 在线视频 国产 同事 校园 在线 浪荡女同做爱 healthonline899 成人伦理 mp4 白合野 国产 迅雷 2018每日在线女优AV视频 佳AV国产AV自拍日韩AV视频 色系里番播放器 有没有在线看萝莉处女小视频的网站 高清免费视频任你搞伦理片 温泉伦理按摸无码 PRTD-003 时间停止美容院 计女影院 操大白逼baby操作粉红 ak影院手机版 91老司机sm 毛片基地成人体验区 dv1456 亚洲无限看片区图片 abp582 ed2k 57rrrr新域名 XX局长饭局上吃饱喝足叫来小情人当众人面骑坐身上啪啪 欲脱衣摸乳给众人看 超震撼 处女在线免费黄色视频 大香巨乳家政爱爱在线 吹潮野战 处女任务坉片 偷拍视频老夫妻爱爱 yibendaoshipinzhaixian 小川阿佐美再战 内人妻淫技 magnet 高老庄八戒影院 xxxooo日韩 日韩av12不卡超碰 逼的淫液 视频 黎明之前 ftp 成人电影片偷拍自拍 久久热自拍偷在线啪啪无码 2017狼人干一家人人 国产女主播理论在线 日本老黄视频网站 少妇偷拍点播在线 污色屋在线视频播放 狂插不射 08新神偷古惑仔刷钱BUG 俄罗斯强姦 在线播放 1901福利性爱 女人59岁阴部视频 国产小视频福利在线每天更新 教育网人体艺术 大屁股女神叫声可射技术太棒了 在线 极品口暴深喉先锋 操空姐比 坏木啪 手机电影分分钟操 jjzyjj11跳转页 d8视频永久视频精品在线 757午夜视频第28集 杉浦花音免费在线观看 学生自拍 香蕉视频看点app下载黄色片 2安徽庐江教师4P照片 快播人妻小说 国产福二代少妇做爱在线视频 不穿衣服的模特58 特黄韩国一级视频 四虎视频操逼小段 干日本妇妇高清 chineseloverhomemade304 av搜搜福利 apaa-186 magnet 885459com63影院 久久免费视怡红院看 波多野结衣妻ネトリ电影 草比视频福利视频 国人怡红院 超碰免费chaopeng 日本av播放器 48qa,c 超黄色裸体男女床上视频 PPPD-642 骑马乳交插乳抽插 JULIA 最后是厉害的 saob8 成人 inurl:xxx 阴扩 成八动漫AV在线 shawty siri自拍在线 成片免费观看大香蕉 草莓100社区视频 成人福利软件有哪些 直播啪啪啪视频在线 成人高清在线偷拍自拍视频网站 母女午夜快播 巨乳嫩穴影音先锋在线播放 IPZ-692 迅雷 哺乳期天天草夜夜夜啪啪啪视频在线 孩子放假前与熟女的最后一炮 操美女25p freex性日韩免费视频 rbd888磁力链接 欧美美人磁力 VR视频 亚洲无码 自拍偷拍 rdt在线伦理 日本伦理片 希崎杰西卡 被迫服从我的佐佐凌波在线观看 葵つか步兵在线 东方色图, 69堂在线视频 人人 abp356百度云 江媚玲三级大全 开心色导 大色哥网站 韩国短发电影磁力 美女在线福利伦理 亚洲 欧美 自拍在线 限制级福利视频第九影院 美女插鸡免得视频 泷泽萝拉第四部第三部我的邻居在线 色狼窝综合 美国少妇与水电工 火影忍者邪恶agc漫画纲手邪恶道 近亲乱伦视频 金卡戴珊视频门百度云 极虎彯院 日本 母乳 hd 视频 爆米花神马影院伦理片 国产偷拍自拍丝袜制服无码性交 璩美凤光碟完整版高清 teen萝莉 国产小电影kan1122 日日韩无码中文亚洲在线视频六区第6 黄瓜自卫视频激情 红番阔午夜影院 黄色激情视频网视频下载 捆梆绳模羽洁视频 香蕉视频页码 土豆成人影视 东方aⅴ免费观看p 国内主播夫妻啪啪自拍 国内网红主播自拍福利 孩子强奸美女软件 廿夜秀场面业影院 演员的诞生 ftp 迷奸系列番号 守望人妻魂 日本男同调教播放 porn三级 magnet 午夜丁香婷婷 裸卿女主播直播视频在线 ac制服 mp4 WWW_OSION4YOU_COM 90后人体艺术网 狠狠碰影音先锋 美女秘书加班被干 WWW_BBB4444_COM vv49情人网 WWW_XXX234_COM 黄色xxoo动态图 人与动物性交乱伦视频 屄彩图