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Comments on MetaFilter post "Our" man no longerThu, 20 May 2004 09:50:57 -0800Thu, 20 May 2004 09:50:57 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60"Our" man no longer
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<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/chalabi05202004.html">Surprise, surprise</a> ... is <a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Ahmed_Chalabi">Ahmed Chalabi</a> the <a href="http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5207503">next</a> terrorist in the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/20/chalabi.raid/">making</a>?post:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206Thu, 20 May 2004 09:39:01 -0800mrgrimmahmedchalabiiraqpoliticsterrorismBy: Outlawyr
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673422
We never seem to learn.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673422Thu, 20 May 2004 09:50:57 -0800OutlawyrBy: keswick
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673425
In the future, everyone will be a terrorist for 15 minutes.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673425Thu, 20 May 2004 09:57:47 -0800keswickBy: nkyad
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673429
It is funny. I though the kind of retribution one eventually gets for almost single-handed lying a superpower into a useless war was usually delivered in dark alleys of exotic eastern cities, not in front of the media. Go figure.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673429Thu, 20 May 2004 10:13:42 -0800nkyadBy: clavdivs
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673435
I told you people he won't led anything.
disappear his butt to Jordan i say.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673435Thu, 20 May 2004 10:33:42 -0800clavdivsBy: chaz
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673437
Smells like a stunt... now he's finally got the street cred he needs to take some power... but will it work? He's definitely not going to Jordan, unless he wants to rot in jail...comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673437Thu, 20 May 2004 10:37:26 -0800chazBy: EmoChild
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673439
Wonder what he knows that they don't want being made public....comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673439Thu, 20 May 2004 10:38:10 -0800EmoChildBy: letitrain
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673444
chaz, I had the same reaction. If Al-Sadr's popularity jumped when he became an enemy of the U.S., maybe a staged standoff will work for Chalabi. In other news, I trust nothing...comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673444Thu, 20 May 2004 10:45:02 -0800letitrainBy: soyjoy
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673445
Excellent, keswick.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673445Thu, 20 May 2004 10:47:07 -0800soyjoyBy: xmutex
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673446
I think W. has created more terrorists in the last 3.5 years than the US has in 50 years before that.
Way to go Bush!comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673446Thu, 20 May 2004 10:47:12 -0800xmutexBy: mrgrimm
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673450
i wonder if EmoChild has something. i'm thinking about the <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH23Ak01.html">UN bombing</a>, and what Chalabi told the US and when. it's a stretch ...comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673450Thu, 20 May 2004 11:01:01 -0800mrgrimmBy: matteo
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673456
<a href="http://metatalk.metafilter.com/mefi/7372#146549">*cries*</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673456Thu, 20 May 2004 11:10:21 -0800matteoBy: rough ashlar
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673457
How many people heard the NPR interview W/Chalabi yesterday?
To paraphrase the interview:
Americans can't find the WMD cuz the WMD are now in hiding. (Oh, and you Americans are buffoons)
Yes I did get over 300K a month from American taxpayers.
Oh, and No, the Americans never asked about the WMD so I say anything. We had so many other things to discuss.
Less than 24 hours after the interview is on NPR the reports of the 'home invasion' and the reported bit about Chalabi is held at gunpoint AND how his portrait now sports a bullet hole in the portrait forhead.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673457Thu, 20 May 2004 11:10:58 -0800rough ashlarBy: dash_slot-
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673472
<em>Wonder what he knows that they don't want being made public....
posted by EmoChild at 10:38 AM PST on May 20 .</em>
Word.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673472Thu, 20 May 2004 11:38:27 -0800dash_slot-By: fenriq
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673474
xmutex, well there ya go, Bush is the best there is at one thing, making new terrorists ready to suicide bomb us into oblivion.
Nice work, Mr. Bush.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673474Thu, 20 May 2004 11:41:28 -0800fenriqBy: fold_and_mutilate
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673477
Just when you thought the national embarassment Bush built couldn't possibly get any more stomp-down moronic....comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673477Thu, 20 May 2004 11:46:18 -0800fold_and_mutilateBy: zoogleplex
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673486
Snakes dealing with snakes. Anybody got a pack of mongoose handy? No surprise from me on this news...comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673486Thu, 20 May 2004 11:59:22 -0800zoogleplexBy: jearbear
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673511
Oh, please. Pundits have been saying that the only way a regime which we kinda like will come out of the region is if we chose one of the anti-us forces that we can deal with, let them slowly win power while we whomp everyone else, and then get out of there "forced" by said new leader.
To suddenly make Rummy's lapdog turn into US enemy #1 in the face of this analysis is just perhaps the most ham-fisted transparent attempt at a ruse I've ever seen. Bullet in his portrait's forehead? Puh-leeze!
Chalabi: Iraqi people! I know you hated me while I lived a life of luxury at the American taxpayers expense and fed them false information so that I could be set up as your ruler while you languished under Sadam! But, uh, now, AMERICANS ARE POOPYHEADS! (dodges american bullet aimed not even close to his general direction) Love me!comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673511Thu, 20 May 2004 12:30:17 -0800jearbearBy: mrgrimm
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673521
<i>*cries*</i>
<a href="http://metatalk.metafilter.com/mefi/7372#146626">*pre-emptively shrugs*</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673521Thu, 20 May 2004 12:44:50 -0800mrgrimmBy: Ignatius J. Reilly
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673523
<em> Wonder what he knows that they don't want being made public....</em>
He knows fucking nothing, and they don't want <em>that</em> made public.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673523Thu, 20 May 2004 12:49:12 -0800Ignatius J. ReillyBy: Ignatius J. Reilly
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673531
Don't get me wrong--I'd be thrilled to win the raffle to get to kick Chalabi's feet out from under him on the gallow, but this guy's story is pretty cool. Can you imagine hiding out for like 30 years and hatching a plot to fool the largest superpower in the world into stealing a country for you? And then actually trying that plan? And then, thanks to the willing stupidity of people who actively sought to be tricked by a guy named "Curveball," having the plan <em>actually work</em>?
If I were a near-fictional-seeming supervillain, I would be tipping my hat to Chalabi in effusive admiration, but as it is I'd have to say that he's actually the one person in the world who I'd <em>like</em> to be killed.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673531Thu, 20 May 2004 12:56:20 -0800Ignatius J. ReillyBy: Ignatius J. Reilly
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673569
<img src=http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/images/20040120-7_d012004-2-515h.jpg>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673569Thu, 20 May 2004 13:30:19 -0800Ignatius J. ReillyBy: pyramid termite
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673598
Good God - our government couldn't organise a drunken bash in a brewery. Is there anyone left running this occupation who knows what the hell he's doing?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673598Thu, 20 May 2004 13:54:56 -0800pyramid termiteBy: crazy finger
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673698
Breaking news!!! My mom says she just saw on TV in the other room that Chalabi may have been selling information to Iran!
(Everything above is true).comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673698Thu, 20 May 2004 15:41:05 -0800crazy fingerBy: amberglow
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673699
pyramid, read what they <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1220792,00.html">said in the Senate yesterday</a> <i><small>"I believe we are absolutely on the brink of failure. We are looking into the abyss," General Joseph Hoar, a former commander in chief of US central command, told the Senate foreign relations committee.
The apocalyptic language is becoming increasingly common here among normally moderate and cautious politicians and observers.
Larry Diamond, an analyst at the conservative Hoover Institution, said: "I think it's clear that the United States now faces a perilous situation in Iraq.
"We have failed to come anywhere near meeting the post-war expectations of Iraqis for security and post-war reconstruction.
"There is only one word for a situation in which you cannot win and you cannot withdraw - quagmire."</small></i></small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673699Thu, 20 May 2004 15:43:07 -0800amberglowBy: mrgrimm
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673700
ok, i'll bite. who's the guy they are applauding? Chalabi is the oaf behind lbush's right-hand shoulder, right? <small>i would have guessed Abizaid, but after a google search, i was quickly humbled.</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673700Thu, 20 May 2004 15:43:53 -0800mrgrimmBy: David Dark
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673721
That's Dr. Adnan Pachachi, President of the Iraqi Governing Council.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673721Thu, 20 May 2004 16:14:15 -0800David DarkBy: shecky57
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673826
I'm with Chaz. My first thought is that they're setting him up as an enemy of America to get him into the good graces of the Iraqis, since they'd have nothing to do with an obvious Bush crony. Kinda like my reaction to the Kobe Bryant case. I was listening to a sports talk radio show and the host was criticizing the multi-million dollar shoe deal Kobe just signed, saying he didn't have the thug street cred to sell sneakers. Two days later, the rape charges hit. I immediately thought that Nike set the whole thing up.
Maybe I need to get fitted for a tinfoil beanie.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673826Thu, 20 May 2004 20:37:58 -0800shecky57By: stavrosthewonderchicken
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673877
<a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm#3a">Noriega</a>.
<a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/binladen/binladen.html">Bin</a> <a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/binladen/binladen.html">Laden</a>.
<a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/">Saddam</a>.
Propped up, set up, used up, cast aside by America. No news here. Fucking morons.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673877Fri, 21 May 2004 00:11:54 -0800stavrosthewonderchickenBy: matteo
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673926
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5016031/site/newsweek/site/newsweek/">Rethinking the Chalabi Connection</a>
Why the Pentagon cut off funding to the Iraqi National Congress
and, in other IraqFilter news:
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43783-2004May20.html">New Details of Prison Abuse Emerge</a>
Abu Ghraib Detainees' Statements Describe Sexual Humiliation And Savage Beatings.
with new pictures, too.
<small>
Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, detainee No. 151108, told investigators that (...) he witnessed an Army translator having sex with a boy at the prison. He said the boy was between 15 and 18 years old. Someone hung sheets to block the view, but Hilas said he heard the boy's screams and climbed a door to get a better look. Hilas said he watched the assault and told investigators that it was documented by a female soldier taking pictures.<small>
</small></small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673926Fri, 21 May 2004 06:46:13 -0800matteoBy: matteo
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673929
<small>
Al-Sheik said he was arrested on Oct. 7, and brought to Abu Ghraib, where he was put in a tent for one night. The next day, he was transferred to the "hard site," the two-story building that held about 200 prisoners and contained Tiers 1A and 1B.
He said a bag was put over his head and he was made to strip. He said American soldiers started to taunt him.
"Do you pray to Allah?" one asked. "I said yes. They said, '[Expletive] you. And [expletive] him.' One of them said, 'You are not getting out of here health[y], you are getting out of here handicapped. And he said to me, 'Are you married?' I said, 'Yes.' They said, 'If your wife saw you like this, she will be disappointed.' One of them said, 'But if I saw her now she would not be disappointed now because I would rape her.' "
He said the soldiers told him that if he cooperated with interrogators they would release him in time for Ramadan. He said he did, but still was not released. He said one soldier continued to abuse him by striking his broken leg and ordered him to curse Islam.<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43783-2004May20_3.html"> "Because they started to hit my broken leg, I cursed my religion," he said. "They ordered me to thank Jesus that I'm alive."</a>
The detainee said the soldiers handcuffed him to a bed.
"Do you believe in anything?" he said the soldier asked. "I said to him, 'I believe in Allah.' So he said, "But I believe in torture and I will torture you.' "
<small></small></small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673929Fri, 21 May 2004 06:49:34 -0800matteoBy: soyjoy
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#673960
While the allowance of something so egregious to a believer might be considered a good psychological argument against Allah's power, you gotta wonder how anyone participating in this depravity could possibly imagine Jesus up there smiling down and approving of it.
These guys' actions are their own best argument against <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/28981">Boykinism.</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-673960Fri, 21 May 2004 07:52:06 -0800soyjoyBy: mrgrimm
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#674028
we knew we were gonna get those pictures and accounts sooner than later. ugh. the perversion of christianity is something beyond comprehension for me. it's enough to make one reconsider the purpose of modern religion (if one hadn't already ...)comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-674028Fri, 21 May 2004 09:57:59 -0800mrgrimmBy: CunningLinguist
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#674362
I've never done an Iraqfilter FPP, but isn't <a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uschal0522,0,340595.story?coll=ny-top-span-headlines">this</a> worthy of one?
I'm absolutely staggered. This story says basically that the Pentagon now believes Chalabi was Iran's agent - he led the US to war to rid Iran of Saddam. The Bush administration was duped into war by Iran?
I mean, Holy Fucking Shit, no?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-674362Sat, 22 May 2004 06:12:28 -0800CunningLinguistBy: amberglow
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#674366
i was going to post that cunning--you do it...it's unbelievable. We did Iran's work for them.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-674366Sat, 22 May 2004 06:35:03 -0800amberglowBy: CunningLinguist
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#674367
Go for it amber - I'm still too much of a weenie.
looks like we weren't refighting the first gulf war after all, but the iran-iraq war.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-674367Sat, 22 May 2004 06:37:32 -0800CunningLinguistBy: amberglow
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#674372
i can't-- i just posted <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/33247">this.</a> You do it : >comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-674372Sat, 22 May 2004 07:02:28 -0800amberglowBy: clavdivs
http://www.metafilter.com/33206/Our-man-no-longer#674392
this is not the first Chalbuddy gave Iranians stuff...
paging Mr. Popoe....please come homecomment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.33206-674392Sat, 22 May 2004 09:23:42 -0800clavdivs
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