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Comments on MetaFilter post Secret TunnelsSat, 05 Sep 2015 22:11:03 -0800Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:11:03 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Secret Tunnels
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<a href="http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/urban-myth-confirmed-true-archaeologists-discover-hidden-tunnels-mexico-020517">Urban Myth Confirmed True as Archaeologists Discover Hidden Tunnels in Mexico</a> "Talk of a maze of underground tunnels beneath the Colonial city of Puebla in Mexico have long been disregarded as mere urban legend. However, city authorities have now confirmed that their existence is no myth. Believed to date back as early as 1531, when the city was founded, the subterranean tunnels are believed to extend as far as 10 kilometers beneath the historic center of the city." (more <a href="http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/cultura/patrimonio/2015/09/2/descubren-tuneles-secretos-en-puebla">here</a> (in spanish))post:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769Sat, 05 Sep 2015 21:33:17 -0800dhruvamexicopueblatunnelsBy: ph00dz
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196129
Those are the Halls of Montezuma.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196129Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:11:03 -0800ph00dzBy: Segundus
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196141
How can they have been unknown for so long?comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196141Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:57:55 -0800SegundusBy: Chocolate Pickle
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196142
I assume they mean "10 kilometers horizontally, beneath the city".comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196142Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:58:38 -0800Chocolate PickleBy: Mitheral
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196148
<a href="http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196141">Segundus</a>: "<i>How can they have been unknown for so long?</i>"
No one was actively looking.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196148Sat, 05 Sep 2015 23:05:54 -0800MitheralBy: Joe in Australia
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196150
Ancient Origins is a website for kooks. The Spanish <a href="http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/cultura/patrimonio/2015/09/2/descubren-tuneles-secretos-en-puebla">report</a> on this is more sober, but the only image shows someone walking through a modern-looking tunnel with what appears to be electric lighting and a concrete base. So I have no idea what these tunnels are like, how "unknown" they really are, or whether there's any substance to this.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196150Sat, 05 Sep 2015 23:08:06 -0800Joe in AustraliaBy: MeghanC
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196180
The Spanish report is more somber, but there are quite a lot of photos, including several of people crouching and standing in both fully and partially excavated tunnels, illuminated by what looks to be a run-in light source. (<a href="http://image.eluniversal.com.mx/sites/default/files/styles/f01-1023x630/public/2015/09/01/tunel_novohispano_4.jpg?itok=9HYvysCU">For example</a>, in case your computer's loading the page oddly.) The photo captions support some of the claims of the Ancient Origins article, as well, including the size and age of the tunnels. Which seems pretty legit to me, and also totally awesome.
I super love tunnels under cities and am delighted to have seen this.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196180Sun, 06 Sep 2015 01:30:27 -0800MeghanCBy: Joe in Australia
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196204
Thanks MeghanC. I'm not seeing the other photos at all, but that does make the excitement make more sense.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196204Sun, 06 Sep 2015 03:49:45 -0800Joe in AustraliaBy: Mr. Bad Example
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196217
<i> I assume they mean "10 kilometers horizontally, beneath the city".</i>
Nope, vertically. Mexico has a substantial minority mole people population. They're poor, but very rich culturally.
(They shouldn't be confused with the molé people, who are also poor, but very rich and chocolatey.)comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196217Sun, 06 Sep 2015 04:53:56 -0800Mr. Bad ExampleBy: Fizz
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196293
So now we know what 'El Chapo' has been up to....comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196293Sun, 06 Sep 2015 07:12:09 -0800FizzBy: pt68
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196367
I can't help it... I love when this sort of thing, some benign but long-cherished urban myth (especially a myth about the urban place itself) turns out to be true.. Cool.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196367Sun, 06 Sep 2015 08:51:14 -0800pt68By: mrbigmuscles
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196634
<em>How can they have been unknown for so long?</em>
They weren't "unknown," they've never been unknown. People have known about them ever since they were built, the phrase "urban myth" is a white American scientist construction to describe/denigrate the organic knowledge of native people about their own land.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196634Sun, 06 Sep 2015 16:32:11 -0800mrbigmusclesBy: Twang
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196795
<i>Nope, vertically. Mexico has a substantial minority mole people population.(They shouldn't be confused with the molé people, who are also poor, but very rich and chocolatey.)</i>
And <i>they</i> should not be confused with the Mole people of Summa Nulla ... particularly chief Molière, his brother Molet and Moleena.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6196795Sun, 06 Sep 2015 21:09:44 -0800TwangBy: Joakim Ziegler
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6197060
<a href="http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6196217">Mr. Bad Example</a>: "<i>(They shouldn't be confused with the molé people, who are also poor, but very rich and chocolatey.)</i>"
Nice try, but <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_sauce">there is no accent on the e in mole</a>, neither in English nor in Spanish.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6197060Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:12:56 -0800Joakim ZieglerBy: ethnomethodologist
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6197389
Legend, not "urban legend." Not all legends are "urban legends."comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6197389Mon, 07 Sep 2015 19:05:11 -0800ethnomethodologistBy: Joe in Australia
http://www.metafilter.com/152769/Secret-Tunnels#6197404
Stories about hidden tunnels are common, and they almost necessarily are set in built-up areas. I think if anything counts as an urban legend, these do.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.152769-6197404Mon, 07 Sep 2015 19:23:27 -0800Joe in Australia
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