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Why read <a href="http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/20/ign-presents-the-history-of-atari">lengthy articles on the history of Atari</a> when you can hear stories first-hand? <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOUxetHEn6Y">Hear Nolan Bushnell (and a few others) tell all</a> about how a little company named <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syzygy_%28astronomy%29">Syzygy</a> became Atari, in clips both new(ish) and old; <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2d2zvn_once-upon-atari-e04-the-agony-and-the-ecstasy-dvdrip-x264-amigos_videogames">tune in</a> for <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2d2z5u_once-upon-atari-e01-house-of-games-dvdrip-x264-amigos_videogames">four</a> <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2d2zfd_once-upon-atari-e02-the-enemy-within-dvdrip-x264-amigos_videogames">episodes</a> <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2d2zng_once-upon-atari-e03-the-games-the-thing-dvdrip-x264-amigos_videogames">of</a> <a href="http://www.onceuponatari.com/"><em>Once Upon Atari</em></a>, featuring Atari staff reminiscing about the good times and bad; and visit <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamogordo,_New_Mexico">Alamogordo, New Mexico</a>, home of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_sled">rocket sled land-speed records</a> and <a href="http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/3321">the grave</a> of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLbCBtqTpKo">Ham, the first chimp in space</a>, with <a href="http://recode.net/2014/08/03/qa-atari-game-over-director-zak-penn-on-digging-up-the-past/">Zak Penn as he digs for the truth</a> behind the <a href="http://www.snopes.com/business/market/atari.asp">legend of the buried E.T. cartridges</a> in <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MT_msVoRAg">Atari</a>: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW6OP4ccsNk">Game Over</a></em> with fans and <a href="http://www.digitpress.com/library/interviews/interview_howard_scott_warshaw.html">Howard Scott Warshaw, the man who made the Atari E.T. game in five weeks</a>. <br /><br />If you want more of Zak Penn on his documentary, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb9jW96MLxg">here's a long video interview with clips that didn't make in into the documentary</a>, and you can read <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/08/why-we-dug-atari/375702/">an article on The Atlantic</a> from the "punk archaeologists" who were present to oversee the dig. A few post-documentary notes: <a href="http://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/landfill-smithsonian-collections-et-extra-terrestrial-atari-2600-game">the Smithsonian has an excavated E.T. cartridge in its collection</a>, but unlike others who <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/atari-games-buried-landfill-net-37-000-ebay-162501577.html">bought copies from Alamogordo's official eBay auctions</a>, the company behind the dig sent a cartridge to the Smithsonian. And if you were wondering, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72fBltUZ2b8">with a bit of restoration, some cartridges were still functional.</a>
If you want to skip the drama around the dig, let <a href="http://thegaminghistorian.com/">The Gaming Historian</a> debunk <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t48DB9NRc60">the Atari Landfill Myth</a> in under four minutes (cutting to the chase: <a href="http://www.retrogamenetwork.com/2013/06/01/headlines-from-the-past-atari-video-games-take-plunge-into-concrete-october-3-1983/">Atari's dumping of excess materials, including cartridges, was public knowledge and covered in newspapers</a>), and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJPo__syQhs">review the documentary</a> in less than five minutes. Dig further into his archive of video clips for <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv7DJrLAZus&t=1m40s">a nine minute overview of the reasons behind</a> the (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_1983">North American</a>) <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheGreatVideoGameCrashOf1983">Video Game Crash of 1983</a>.
If all this talk of the E.T. game has intrigued you and you haven't experienced it, Archive.org has both <a href="https://archive.org/details/E.T._The_Extra-Terrestrial_1982_Atari_NTSC">the original</a> and <a href="https://archive.org/details/ET_Fixed_Final">fixed versions</a> available for online play, but don't forget to <a href="https://archive.org/details/E.T._The_Extra-Terrestrial_1982_Atari">read the manual</a>, or you can simply <a href="https://archive.org/details/Atari_2600_Longplay_001_E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial">watch someone else play it</a>, and even <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bn192kSsMw">play it and find the Easter eggs</a>. Even <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CUppYmq-FQ&t=5m20s">Conan has played it, continuing the "Worst Game Ever" hype</a>.
E.T. for Atari, previously:
<ul><li><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/138638/Alien-Found-Buried-in-New-Mexico-Desert">Alien Found Buried in New Mexico Desert</a> (April 26, 2014)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/128593/Atari-Archaeology-Allowed">Atari Archaeology Allowed</a> (May 31, 2013)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/126570/Fixing-ET-Rehabilitating-ET">Fixing E.T. / Rehabilitating E.T.</a> (March 31, 2013)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/100879/The-most-godawful-game-ever">The most godawful game ever</a> (February 24, 2011)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/69959/If-your-company-has-more-VPs-than-it-does-bathrooms-youre-in-trouble">If your company has more VPs than it does bathrooms, you're in trouble.</a> (March 17, 2008 -- <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/140543/None-of-this-is-going-to-matter">Dadhacker</a>, survivor of the Crash of '83, but not involved with E.T.)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/49052/Hope-Fading-at-Atari">Hope Fading at Atari</a> (February 10, 2006)</li></ul>post:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:50:42 -0800filthy light thiefAtariAtari26002600ETVideoGameHistoryOralHistoryhistoryVideoGameVideoGamesGamingHistorianNolanBushnellNolanBushnellHowardScottWarshawWarshawZakPennZakPennAlamogordoNewMexicorocketsledlandspeedrecordHamspacechimparchaeologypunkarchaeologyarchaeologistpunkarchaeologistBy: filthy light thief
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Final tangents: in the video interview, Zak Penn mentioned a few people who I wasn't familiar with before: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Theroux">British documentary filmmaker Louis Theroux</a> and <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/playlandpictures/man-vs-snake-the-long-and-twisted-tale-of-nibbler/description">MAN VS SNAKE: The Long and Twisted Tale of Nibbler</a>, a Kickstarted video game documentary by Andrew Seklir & Tim Kinzy. (Andy made the pin-board graphic and other elements in the <em>Game Over</em> documentary).comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6028952Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:55:38 -0800filthy light thiefBy: Mblue
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Here's a story.
Once upon a time I was young
I had a friend who shared, we purchashed an Atari
Yars Revenge!comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6028977Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:07:51 -0800MblueBy: Catblack
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This is a great documentary, it gives a wonderful overview of the rise and fall of the company in between the landfill bits. The interviews are great.
I remember seeing Yars' Revenge for the first time being demoed at the mall toy store. It was insane, and so, so different from any other cartridge.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6028979Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:13:33 -0800CatblackBy: Ideefixe
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I worked on the film.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6029045Thu, 30 Apr 2015 04:04:08 -0800IdeefixeBy: filthy light thief
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<strong>Ideefixe</strong>, which one? <em>Atari: Game Over</em>? Is it really a series? Is Zak Penn as much of a goon as he seems <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb9jW96MLxg">in the long BYOD interview</a>?
<strong>Catblack</strong>, somewhere in the <em>Once Upon Atari</em>, Howard talks about how he used the code itself to create some of those intense graphics.
If anyone else is watching it for the first time, it feels like Howard wasn't sure if he'd make more than one episode, but when he made more, he left the first episode he created as an endcap, so I linked the fourth episode first (the "tune in" link). <a href="http://www.onceuponatari.com/episodes2.html">Here's a bit of information on episodes 3 & 4</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6029112Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:12:33 -0800filthy light thiefBy: RobotVoodooPower
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I sent a letter to the Atari Age magazine explaining how I saw a Yar fly out of a flower in E.T. Turned out it was a real Easter Egg and not a hallucination (though they never printed my letter AFAIK).comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6029118Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:20:36 -0800RobotVoodooPowerBy: griphus
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I really wanted one of those excavated cartridges but I was surprised by how much more money than I people were willing to spend on, literally, garbage.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6029132Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:41:44 -0800griphusBy: griphus
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Also I've started re-reading <a href="http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/racing-beam">Racing the Beam</a> and if you're technically inclined, it is a book like no other about the history of Atari and the technical achievements of 2600 programmers.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6029134Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:42:59 -0800griphusBy: trackofalljades
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I just woke up, but...is there a link in here anywhere to the official web site of the movie?comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6029151Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:57:33 -0800trackofalljadesBy: Mike Mongo
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I loved Atari. I loved the word—<em>Atari</em>—and I loved the aesthetics. In fact, Atari is one of the reasons I first began thinking of aesthetics which in turn has led to a really amazing life and career. And video games! We were the first video gaming generation and Atari was the flag we saluted. But little did we know that behind the scenes at Atari turned out to be some of the most dull and uninspired business practices ever.
Think of having pretty much the brand that says <em>future</em> in a way that no one could come close to touching, and developing an audience who are ready for anything, and then <em>for greed</em>pissing it all away. I mean, really just frivolously stomping it all to pieces to be used to mulch the future instead of being the company that builds it.
Think about it. Atari could have been <em>Apple</em>. It could have been <em>SpaceX</em>. Instead Atari has become Max Headroom.
Atari is one of those scrap pile brands whose corpse corporate culture vultures pick over for years to come. It's a genuine zombie brand, propped up by money solely for the exploitation of childhood memories. Atari took our young good will and dreams and excitement, and crassly trashed them all in terrific, bounding, petty, banal commercialism. Screw Atari. PS I love you.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6029182Thu, 30 Apr 2015 07:21:10 -0800Mike MongoBy: MtDewd
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I just finished listening to <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/147670869X/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/">The Innovators</a>, which includes a bit of this story.
I wish I had time at the moment to listen to the entire Bushnell interview.comment:www.metafilter.com,2015:site.149252-6029186Thu, 30 Apr 2015 07:25:52 -0800MtDewd
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